Tom G. Fischer


In the mid-80’s, while the most of the Pepsi generation was glued to MTV, those in the independent music scene with their ear to the ground caught wind of something more sinister.  After spending its infancy the previous year as Hellhammer, Celtic Frost roared to life in the summer of 1984. 

Erupting from the decidedly benign musical climate of Switzerland , Celtic Frost began its life in a country whose only previous musicians of note were pop duo Yello and AC/DC clones Krokus.  The band found favor with fans of the burgeoning extreme metal movement, despite the critically underwhelming ‘Apocalyptic Raids’ album they had released as Hellhammer.  Shifting gears and monikers, Celtic Frost set out to redefine what metal could be.  Led by vocalist/guitarist Tom G Warrior, the band crafted a couple stunningly dark albums – one, ‘To Mega Therion’, featuring an infamous jaw dropping cover painting by H.R. Giger – before releasing its magnum opus, ‘Into the Pandemonium’.  It was an album that was equally heavy and graceful, traditional and experimental.  Its follow-up, ‘Cold Lake’, however, retained few of those qualities, and might very well have been the band’s swan song, had they not retooled their approach for a final studio album before disbanding in 1992.  That was almost fifteen years ago.  In the interim, Tom G. Fischer (he dropped the ‘Warrior’ years ago) moved on to the electronic metal of Apollyon Sun.  Few knew, but for the past four years Tom G. Fischer (he dropped the ‘Warrior’ years ago) band co-founder Martin Eric Ain had been holed up in a recording studio, channeling the magic of Celtic Frost into a new album once again.  ‘Monotheist’ is their heaviest effort to date, and finds the band re-exploring uncharted territory.  Both sonically and visually, Celtic Frost was like no other band before it.  And that’s still true today.  Interestingly, while the look and sound – and in many cases, the lineup - of Celtic Frost may have changed a bit over the years, one thing has remained constant – Tom G. Fischer.  The Fuze called Tom at his Switzerland home recently to discuss the rebirth of Celtic Frost, the monolithic slab of rock that is ‘Monotheist’ and why he doesn’t play guitar like a girl.  Shh…it’s ringing…   

Hello?

This is Todd Seely from The Fuze in America , calling for Tom Fischer.

This is Tom.  How are you doing?

Good morning Tom - or I guess afternoon, where you are.  I’m doing great.  How are you doing?

Very good. 

Are we ready to do this?

Yes, very much so.

Ok, great.  Well, first let me apologize ahead of time.  I know I’m gonna say both “Keltic Frost” and “Seltic Frost”.  I’ll blame it on that basketball team here in the States.

That’s fine.  If that’s the only problem we have, then we’ll be just fine.

Well, ‘Monotheist’ is out, and it’s a great album.  I think it’s a real feather in your cap.  What were your expectations going into the studio for the first time in over a decade as Celtic Frost again?

Umm, that’s really difficult to answer accurately.  Probably everything and nothing at the same time.  Nothing, because we weren’t forced to do this.  There was no record company or management telling us what to do.  Nobody outside the band financed this, so we were under no obligation to finish an album - no matter what.  We had the liberty of saying “We’re not gonna release anything if it doesn’t sound like Celtic Frost.”  So, the expectations were totally open.  And everything because, of course, Martin and I wanted to do a true Celtic Frost album, and this wouldn’t be easy after a sixteen year hiatus.  It was very clear to us.

There are all kinds of different sounds on ‘Monotheist’ - from the spoken sections on songs like “A Dying God” and “ Temple of Depression ”…and “Totengott” may be the freakiest thing you guys have ever recorded.  I think ‘Monotheist’ may be the most musically compelling album that you’ve recorded with Martin Ain and the band, and it’s probably your heaviest to date.

Yes, I think so, too.

I seem to remember reading somewhere that you still weren’t satisfied with the heaviness of the finished album.  Is that right?

I’d like it to be heavier, yeah.  But I’m working on that.  I worked for in excess of four years on this album.  There’s always another album hopefully coming, and I’m working on doing something heavier.  I guess my personal state of mind just became slightly more heavy and more dark after we’re doing this album, and eventually we drew the line and said the album was finished.  But where I’m at right now, personally, I’d like to see a darker and heavier album than that.

Is that something you’re already working on? 

We’re working on that.

At least the beginning stages of something else...

It‘s probably further than that, yeah.  We – Martin [Ain, bassist] and I - have such extreme chemistry going on between us right now that we are very involved in working on the next album together. 

Did it seem like you two fell in place again fairly easily, or did you find yourself going to new places you didn’t even go before?

Both, actually.  It was initially extremely difficult, even though we found out we had ideas that literally matched.  But, to just go and convert these ideas into an album - into music, and most of all, into Celtic Frost - was not easy.  There were so many years in between where we had completely separate lives, different careers and different interests, that it was a huge personal challenge to get this going again.  Once we had accomplished that, it was a process that took years.  Then Martin and I probably forged a friendship that is stronger than it’s ever been.  We’re now talking about two adults whose lives have been heavily affected by Celtic Frost and who had both very unusual lives.  And now we were able to pool these experiences as adults, and it’s so much stronger, so much deeper than it’s been when we were teenagers.  We were naïve and innocent and didn‘t have life experience.

Did you decide going into this album that it was going to be Celtic Frost, or did you decide to test the water first and see what happened? 

When I first talked with Martin about doing such an album, we knew it was gonna be Celtic Frost.  We never said “We want to do a different project.”  I talked with Martin and we talked about possibly doing a Celtic Frost album.  We kept on setting really high standards for ourselves.  Either we weren’t going to leave the studio until the album sounded like Celtic Frost, or we wouldn’t release the album at all.  But there was never any doubt that if we did something together it was gonna be Celtic Frost.  Without a question.

A “monotheist” is defined as “a believer in one God”.  How does the album title relate to the songs themselves?  They seem ambivalent as far as your lyrics are concerned, while Martin’s are more or less flat out disdainful.

The album title relates to a much grander picture than just the songs on this album.  I think ‘Monotheist’ is pretty much a reflection of one of the main topics that has occupied our thinking - and very often our frustration and our anger - on this planet of human beings.  We just decided to put that into words on this album.  But starting with the first song on the very first Celtic Frost album, “Into the Crypt of Rays”, which dealt with religion, the misuse of the concept of religion and the perversion of what everybody claims to abide by - namely the Bible, and then actually perverting it in daily actions.  Things like that have been on our minds and in our interests ever since we formed Celtic Frost together.

The song you are talking about deals with French pedophile Gilles de Rays…

Yes. 

Getting back to your point about religion, there does seem to be a train of thought that says “You can sin today, as long as you repent tomorrow.”

Yeah, I mean it’s a huge topic and mankind has this arrangement of living in complete hypocrisy for what is now two times ten centuries, and putting up these standards - these scales - that everybody else must abide by.  But in reality, they’re all perverting the very texts that religion is supposed to be based on.  You know, the whole thing is just one huge hypocrisy, one huge perversion.  If you look at mankind, that’s nothing unusual.  The whole human history is full of that, not only religion.  The only that we seem to be doing well is screwing each other over.  We kill each other and betray each other and so on.

Yeah, we’ve got that down pretty well.  Reed St. Mark [drummer] is noticeably absent from the new album.  Did you and Martin try to include him, or even [original and penultimate Celtic Frost drummer] Steven Priestly, when you decided to reform?

Umm, we never talked about including Steven Priestly, even though we are on friendly terms with him.  Steven is very much in a different place right now than we are, and I don’t think he would even be interested in playing with Celtic Frost.  As far as Reed, we wanted to do it with Reed.  It was our very solid intention to do this album with Reed, and we talked to Reed in 2000 and 2001 about doing songs together.  For a number of personal reasons on Reed’s side, it simply was not possible.  Initially, that was a huge shock to me and Martin because we couldn’t imagine doing a Frost album without him.  As it turned out, I don’t think ‘Monotheist’ would have ever existed the way it is now without Franco Sesa, our current drummer.  At that time, we didn’t know that, and it was very difficult to come to terms with the situation of Celtic Frost without Reed.

Tom, you’ve been the one constant member of Celtic Frost over the years. 

Unfortunately, yes.

You are as integral to the band as Lemmy is to Motorhead, I think. 

I think it would have been nice if I wouldn’t have been so much a part of the band.  I had certain periods of time that certain albums would have been much better (laughs).

Does that place a greater burden on what you write - or in the case of the new album, how much influence you allow into the writing process by the newer members?

It gives me certain leeway to make certain decisions which I feel are essential for Celtic Frost, but I don’t exercise that leeway too often.  I don’t want to be a band dictator, and I love working together with Martin and Franco.  The album is the album because Martin, for example, wrote about 50% of the music on it and the lyrics.  So, I do have a very special position in the band because I’ve been in the band so long, but I don’t really exercise it all too often - only when I feel it’s absolutely essential. 

Tell me, briefly, about the two new members.  Is it really only one new member – Franco Sesa [drummer] - while Erol Unala [guitarist] is just along for this album, in particular?

We very much wanted to be a permanent four piece band, and I asked Erol - who, of course, was with me in Apollyon Sun - if he wanted to be in Celtic Frost.  He said yes.  I told him “Do you know what this entails?”  I told him “Look, it’s entirely different in every detail than Apollyon Sun is.”  He said he understood, and we worked for in excess of four years on this album.  During the last maybe two years, it just became very obvious to everybody involved, including Erol, that it was probably a little bit too radical, personally speaking, what was going on in Celtic Frost as opposed to Apollyon Sun.  And I believe Erol really drifted personally - he drifted out of what became the unit, Celtic Frost.  The three of us - Martin, me and Franco - really grew into a family.  And Erol didn’t make that process because the longer we went on, the more alien it became to him.  And some of the main contributions on this album are by Erol.  I don’t think the album would have been possible the way it is without Erol, but at the end of the day, we didn’t feel he was a part of the band.  He didn’t feel he was part of the band.  And the statement that we had mutually split, that wasn’t just a politically correct statement.  We actually did mutually split.  We sat down and we all agreed, including Erol, that his place was probably somewhere else, and that he just didn’t feel at home anymore.  The band had become too radical, and it’s not very easy for somebody whose life is harmony and happiness to create with the three of us in this band.  

So you’re truly a trio again?

Oh, yes.  Since November of last year already.

Ok. 

We’re working with a tour guitar player because a lot of material Celtic Frost has written does require at least two guitars on stage.  So we work with tour guitarist, but we view the band right now as a three piece. 

Had Apollyon Sun truly run its course when Celtic Frost came calling again, or was Apollyon Sun eclipsed (pun intended) by the long shadow Celtic Frost cast?

It hadn’t run its course.  Erol and me were actually working on a new album.  We had demos and plenty of material - probably more than for an album.  And we fully intended on doing this album.  Apollyon Sun actually only was dissolved in November 2005 when Erol and Celtic Frost split.  To me, that was a signal that I probably would be unable to work with Erol, at least in the near future.  So, that was the end of the Apollyon Sun.  But until then, Apollyon Sun was very much an active band.  It was just on ice while Celtic Frost was in the studio.  Nobody had intended Celtic Frost being in the studio for four years.  That’s why Apollyon Sun was on such an extended hiatus.  Until that point, it was very much an alive band to me.

For a long time now, Switzerland ’s only musical exports seemed to be you, Coroner, Yello and Krokus.  But some excellent bands like Sybreed and Gotthard have come along in recent years.  What’s the Swiss musical climate like today?

You know, I really don’t know.  And I’m not just saying that.  I’m really not involved in the scene.  I feel disdain for the Swiss scene – contempt - and that’s why I never got involved.  The Swiss scene treated us like, literally, a piece of shit that you don’t touch.  When we started with Hellhammer, and even early Celtic Frost, we were ridiculed and everything was made twice as difficult for us in the Swiss scene, and I was never able to forgive that.  So I never became involved in the Swiss scene until this day. I feel excessive hatred for the Swiss scene.  So, I really - I can’t comment on the Swiss scene because I’m not a part of it…and willingly so.

What kind of media coverage are you getting over there now?  Do you feel like they’re jumping on the bandwagon?

We’re getting huge media coverage for the very first time in Celtic Frost’s existence.  We are getting media coverage that we usually get only in America or in England .  22 years after Celtic Frost formed, the press has actually realized that we exist and we have gotten media coverage, which then, of course, was excessive. We’ve been in magazines that are probably comparable to Newsweek or Time in America , and in papers such as what is here the local Wall Street Journal.  It’s completely crazy for us because after being ignored and ridiculed for so long now, everything has turned radically and it seems just ludicrous. 

That would be a weird situation to be in.

Very much so.  I really don’t know whether to be proud or to just laugh, because it’s just - they’ve woken up so late.  We’ve done so much stuff with this band.  There’s actually a story for my country, but the story has existed since June 1, 1984 .  What can I say?  There’s a handful of Swiss musicians who have ever toured United States , and we’ve done it numerous times.  We sell albums that have influenced apparently everybody, but Swiss media simply ignored all of this.  And every little housewife band got excessive coverage.  I’m not saying that because I’m jealous.  It’s just now they’re discovering us, and it’s like, you know, what’s going on. 

I can imagine you wanting to say “Where were you guys when we needed you?”

Well, the thing is, we didn’t need them.  We took notice of what they thought of us in the early days, and we went abroad.  It worked there, and we forged a career out of this.  We made friends all over the place, and I have adjusted my life accordingly.  Now they’re coming and I’m just like watching this whole circus now that’s unfolding in Switzerland , kind of bemused, you know.

In some other interviews I’ve read, you don’t seem too comfortable waxing philosophical about the legacy of Celtic Frost.  Are you content to simply let the music speak for itself?

It’s not my place…

There are a lot of bands who came along after you and who cite Celtic Frost as an influence – Sepultura and Obituary, for example.  Are there any bands today who you see kind of pushing the envelope or who you appreciate what they are doing?

Well, there’s plenty of bands, but not connected to any influence by Celtic Frost.  I do feel uncomfortable, and the older I get, actually, the less I want to comment on things like that.  Like you said, I want the music to speak more.  It was different when I was young, and I believed that I had so much to say.  But nowadays, even on stage, I don’t speak too much because I just have nothing to say.  What I’m passionate about and what I want to express, I do that in my lyrics.  I do that in my music, and I believe I do that quite excessively because Celtic Frost music is not quiet music.  Past that, I really don’t want to babble on about the meaning and the depth of the influence and all that stuff.  That’s all I can say.  Some of the bands I listen to nowadays, such as Gorgoroth or the German black metal band Dark Fortress, I do believe they are pushing the envelope in a certain way or a certain manner, or that they have a certain emotion that I feel is original.  But of course, that’s not connected to an influence of Celtic Frost.  I believe other people are just as capable, and they don’t really need Celtic Frost as an influence at all.

Fair enough.  Dave Grohl of the Foo Fighters asked you to be part of his ‘Probot’ album in 2003.  And for an old school metal fan like myself, having you, Cronos from Venom, King Diamond, Lemmy, and all the other guys on one album was like a gift from the great beyond.  It was unheard of.  What did you think when you heard what ‘Probot’ was going to be?

I found it, actually, a very brave and original experiment.  In this industry, I don’t think anybody has ever attempted something like Dave.  And it struck me that Dave wasn’t really an underground musician, like a black metal band, who had such an original idea.  He was actually somebody who was rather more commercial.  Still, he came up with this really interesting concept of basically co-writing a whole album, and in my case - it’s probably the same for everybody else - he gave me absolute complete freedom on what to do.  I told him “Can I really go out there?”  And he said “Do whatever you want.”  The fact that comes from somebody as successful as Dave Grohl was quite refreshing.  That part of him, at least, hadn’t been sucked into this huge machinery, this huge commercial machinery.  That he was open to do this album with the hardcore singers and let them do whatever they wanted to do - I found that an extremely pleasant surprise.

Were you pleased with the final album?

I have actually only listened to it once.  I only received it from a friend of mine very late - actually, only a short time ago.  Somebody gave it to me as a gift.  That’s when I had a chance for the first time to listen to it.  I don’t like all the singers on there, but I do like some of the songs on the album.

Did you see many new fans visiting the Celtic Frost website to find out more about you as a result of ‘Probot’?

Umm, I actually noticed the exposure for the album not really through the website, but through other means of communication.  I often thought these kind of people probably never listen to Celtic Frost, and if it wasn’t for that album they would not be interested in Celtic Frost.  Of course, that’s a very cool side effect…a little strange at the same time. 

I imagine it could be. 

It must have been a huge crossover.  I mean, some of the Foo Fighters stuff is very commercial, and it’s in rotation on a lot of the music stations.  And I can imagine that he had fans that are not necessarily die hard metal fans, and they still were interested in listening to a solo album.  It probably created quite a cross-scene, which is interesting.

Well, of course, he comes from Nirvana, and a lot of that Nirvana stuff wasn’t so commercial.  It’s just that the whole grunge scene became such a popular bandwagon that people listened to things that they normally wouldn’t find themselves listening to.

The industry manages to overdo that.  Even black metal or thrash metal or whatever - once they smell that the fans go for something, they milk it to the max, and they make it a trend.  More often than not, it loses all of its original attraction, because it gets saturated by mediocre bands, sometimes even outright bad bands.  The industry scoops up everything there is, and it becomes a bandwagon, and a lot of bands form just to be part of it.  Then, of course, the quality sinks, and the people who actually love the original products which had the magic and a certain spirit, they become disappointed because that spirit just disappears. 

That’s absolutely true.  Switching gears - if you had never made the ‘Cold Lake’ album, and had somehow gone directly from ‘Into the Pandemonium’ to ‘Vanity/Nemesis’ without having to make up for lost ground, do you think Celtic Frost would still have broken up in ‘92?

I have no idea.  I never think like that.  I apparently did the ‘ Cold Lake ’ album for a reason.  My life was that and Celtic Frost’s story is that, and thinking like that is a waste of time.  I’m not a “what if…” thinker.  I am very much based in reality – in current reality.  What I do is, if I record something which I find an abomination or a dismal album, then I try to analyze what makes it that.  I try to learn from that so that it never happens again.  This is the process of going on, instead of thinking “what if”.  Celtic Frost has done every album for a reason, including ‘ Cold Lake ’, even though I believe the reasons were flawed, to say the least.  But there was apparently a reason, and it’s part of Celtic Frost and that’s that.  That’s the fact.  There’s no “what if”.  We have done a new album.  We have done what we had to do, and we will do another album, and so be it.  We can only let the music talk. 

You have a very distinct guitar tone, like Tony Iommi on downers.  You had it 20 years ago, but even more so today.  Where does that monster sound come from?

When I was young, I always believed it came from my setup, but the setup is not complicated.  It’s a very Spartan, very basic setup.  I’m not using any specially manufactured things.  I’m using stuff that anybody can buy off the shelf.  And sometimes I‘m confronted with other musicians that have the exact same equipment, and they say “Why can’t I sound like you?”  And that always puzzled me because, like I said, nothing is special.  I believe it’s from the way I play guitar, because that’s the only thing that I do differently than most other people.  I really manhandle my guitar.  I have respect for it, but in a different way than somebody really technical has.  I don’t care for my guitar, I really abuse it.  I play it to the max.  I don‘t caress the neck when I’m playing.  I‘m manhandling it, and I think that’s probably the difference that makes my guitar sound the way it does.  I’m often frustrated when I see bands I like, and I go to see them in concert, and I see that they play so lightly.  To me, heavy metal is like Vikings and axes and everything, and the instrument is almost like a weapon.  I see these musicians that play like girls on their instruments, even though their music takes more energy, and it frustrates me.  I grew up with people like Pete Townsend, who smash their guitars.  That’s what I believe heavy metal is.  Otherwise, I‘d play some other way.

The guitar seems like something you should be wringing sound out of, shaking sound out of…

I hate when it breaks, but it does break very often, because I just manhandle it.  That’s why I have a guitar.  I want it to have an influence and express power and aggression and energy, and how can I do that when I just stand there, trying to play it all proper?  How can you do that? 

Gingerly touching the fret board...

You know, you see the way we look in the pictures, and I’m not faking it.  I don’t wanna look like this, and then on stage, I’m like this girl. 

Your image is who you are, and that’s reflected in the music you put across.  Or vice versa.

The image is really who we are.  And a lot of people don’t understand that, because we sometimes look rather extreme, rather dark.  But in every era of Celtic Frost, including, unfortunately ‘ Cold Lake ’, the image was always an overdrawn version - almost like if you go to the theatre and see the actors with excessive makeup on, so you actually get the point.  That is how I always viewed the photos of Celtic Frost.  It always reflected the state of mind we were in.  It wasn’t an act.  Celtic Frost’s image changed over the years because we changed over the years, and it was always a reflection of our state of mind, of what we were thinking, of our philosophy at the time.  For better or for worse. 

That’s a very good point you make about the theatrical makeup – about magnifying the image that you project to your audience. 

Well, that’s how we always picture it.  You see, there are some other musicians that hate that modern rock music has such a visual aspect - that there’s actually an image attached to it.  But we always embraced that.  We always felt that the visual side of it gets you an additional platform for expression.  We didn’t deny that, we actually embraced it - and that meant from the cover artwork to the logos to the photos.  And just like we expressed ourselves in an extreme manner in songs like “Into the Crypt of Rays”, we expressed ourselves in an extreme manner in the pictures.  It was part of the whole thing.  It was never separated for us.  It was never something we had to do.  It was something we wanted to do.  We loved the additional platform.  We didn’t find it a nuisance or a sellout.  We were able to actually be ourselves in an unprecedented manner.

I mentioned Tony Iommi a few minutes ago.  Do you see the parallels between Black Sabbath and Celtic Frost?

Oh, of course, yeah.  There are certain key bands that I grew up with as a teenager, way before I even picked up an instrument -even before I was a teenager - that I consciously grew up with and that have influenced my understanding of music.  One of them is, of course, The Who, which is probably reflected in the way I play my guitar.  The other is Black Sabbath, which is probably reflected in the darkness of my song writing.  This is music I listened to, as I said, even before I became a teenager, and it just shaped my perception of rock music.  It became my world long before I became a musician.  Before I picked up a guitar myself.

And it’s not that you sound like Sabbath, or emulate them, but you do take the same chances that Sabbath took.

Exactly.  That’s what a lot of people confuse.  They ask me for an influence, and they think of something that you hear yesterday and you copy tomorrow.  But that’s not influence.  That’s just simply copying. 

Right.

To me, an influence is much more profound.  It’s something that you listen to completely unconnected to your own musicianship, and it shapes your understanding of music.  It’s something that makes such an impact on you, like, for example, Black Sabbath did to me as a kid.  It makes such an impact on you that it shapes your thinking of music.  And then, of course, when you become a musician later on, that is reflected in the way you express yourself.  That is an influence.

For as heavy as songs like “Into the Void” were, it was not out of the norm for them to do on the same record something like “Planet Caravan” or “Laguna Sunrise”.  They always took chances, and threw your preconceptions out the window.

And the thing with true pioneers - unlike a band like Celtic Frost, who was already in like, the second metal wave – is they were at the forefront of a musical style that was only being forged at the time.  So they were really pioneering.  They were inventing this.  And, given the time and the means in the studios at that time, the importance of that cannot be overstated.

Tell me about the upcoming tour.  It seems rather ambitious, particularly such an extensive return to the States.

It’s seems ambitious, and yet at the same time it’s not, because the last time we played the States was, I think, ‘89.  We haven’t played for American audiences for a long time, and of course, we want to cover as much as we can.  It’s a huge continent.  I mean, if you take Canada and America together, those are some of the biggest countries on this planet.  Of course we want to play there.  And it would probably be possible to play an even longer tour there.  The tour has already started here in Europe , and it’s fantastic.  The band, I believe, is stronger than it’s ever been.  So far, I believe, the live reviews reflect the same.  I’m looking forward very much to the US tour, even though it’s gonna be a huge strain, and it’s also gonna be a strain on my voice.  But I believe we can do it, and we’re certainly gonna do our best to accomplish it.

Have you been getting the response you’ve expected so far, or did you even know what to expect?

I didn’t want to expect anything - there again, just like the album.  And I believe most people probably think I’m just saying that to avoid negative criticism, but the thing is it’s really true.  At 43 years of age, I can actually honestly say that at this point in my life, I really don’t expect anything.  It’s not important to me.  When I was a teenager, and I had my first few albums, it was really important to me to make a statement, to have this place, and to be seen.  You know - you’re young, macho, you want to prove yourself, and it’s important what the other people think and everything.  Now, as a 43 year old, I have made a mark with Celtic Frost, and actually, I honestly take the liberty and do the albums and the shows for myself and enjoy.  And if somebody else likes it, it’s fantastic, of course.  I thrive off a great crowd reaction, but I’m not doing it for them.  I go on stage because I want to.  If I didn’t feel like doing a tour, I wouldn’t do it, no matter how much the record company would beg me to do it.  I’m doing it for me - to play the album that was done from me and Martin - first and foremost.  And if it connects with anybody else, it’s fantastic.  But I don’t have any expectations.  The expectations are basically my own, playing for myself.

The only Celtic Frost video available is the Hammersmith Odeon show from ‘89, and a couple other various video clips.  You mentioned Noise Records’ somewhat lackluster attitude toward videos in your book, ‘Are You Morbid?’.  Are you looking at recording a live DVD to document the band during this tour?

Uh, yes and no.  We are looking at doing a live DVD, but it’s a very ambitious project.  If we can get it done, it will be different than any other live DVD you’ve ever seen.  It will be, in true Celtic Frost spirit, something very different.  We don‘t just want to tape the one-millionth live show and just be different by some of the cuts of the camera angles.  If we can find a partner to do it, it will be something truly unusual that you’ve never seen, and that you probably will not see again for a long time.  It will take, though, some time.  Actually I’ve come from a meeting about this, just before, with Martin.  And, in addition to that, there might even be a regular video clip and also some of the festivals are being filmed, and we might release one or two songs with that footage because of the lack of Celtic Frost video footage - to give the fans something, at least, to see.  And we might release one or two songs from some of the festivals here.  But we haven’t seen the footage yet, and we don’t know if it‘s useful, so it’s not been decided.  There will be a live DVD, including also a lot of documentary footage, but that will still take some time. 

When that comes along, people will be able to read about it on the website, www.celticfrost.com.

I’m quite sure.  People will love it or hate it, and they will probably cause quite a stir, because usually when we do something, it never goes down quietly. 

What else is new?  (laughs)  So, what haven’t you explored with Celtic Frost that you’d like to?

Oh, there’s so much.  But, I’m careful nowadays.  There’s a lot of things we want to explore, but we don’t wanna make it sound forced, and we don’t want to make it sound artificial.  I am proud of the ‘Into the Pandemonium’ album, but what I don’t like about it is that some of the experiments sound like afterthoughts.  We were just not good enough at the time to actually incorporate outside influences or some of our weirder ideas into the Celtic Frost sound.  I believe in ‘Monotheist’; we have accomplished incorporating such things into our songs.  So, whatever we want to do in the future, we want to approach it in a careful manner.  We want to make it sound like Celtic Frost, not like an add-on or something that sounds artificial on an album that’s otherwise a unity of music. 

Something I was really taken with on the new record, when I listen to it, is the two extremes of “Talking God” and “Winter”.  “Winter” took me by surprise at the very end of the album, with this great string - it wasn’t a quartet…you had what, 8, 10 different instruments in all?

Yeah, we had ten musicians, and overdubbed them several times, so that eventually we used nineteen.

What a great track, and what a surprise to come at the end of a Celtic Frost record. 

Is it really a surprise?

I guess not a surprise, it was just -

The thing is that surprises are not really a surprise for Celtic Frost.

No, because you’ve done so much before that was so different.  There was even orchestra on ‘To Mega Therion’. 

Yeah, well we had classical violin even on ‘Morbid Tales’.  This affiliation for us goes back, and it probably will never end because we love it.  And, to me, “Talking God” and “Winter”, even though they’re radically different musical pieces, fit together perfectly.  They are not so far apart to me, in philosophy. 

They are two sides of a coin, I guess.

Yes.  They are the current extremes of Celtic Frost.  They are the current far ends of Celtic Frost. 

It was like a reprieve at the end of the album.  Maybe that’s not even the right word, but I think you know what I’m trying to get at.

It was intended like that.  When I wrote “Winter”, I had no idea where on the album it would be.  In the course of finishing the album over the course of the years, it became very clear that there was only gonna be one position for that song.  The album became so dark and so intense that it just was natural to end it with something like “Winter”.

It almost gives you and opportunity to sit back and think about what you’ve just gone through.

Yes.

What you’ve just listened to and experienced…

Yeah.  Personally, when I listen to the album, I feel it’s much more intense than if we would have put a truly heavy track at the end.  The extremity and the heaviness comes in a far more subtle manner.  It’s not like it works with the hammer and the anvil.  It’s extreme, but on a completely different level, in a different dimension, and I like that.  I like that you sometimes have to search for the extremity.  It’s not quite as obvious as if you plug a guitar into distortion. 

Let’s wrap up with our signature question.  What’s what is your drink of choice?

You’ll be disappointed.  It’s water.

You’re a bottled water man?

Any water.  I don’t drink alcohol, hardly ever.  I drink a glass of wine occasionally, but that’s really the extent of my drinking.  Otherwise, I usually stick to water.

Anything else you’d like to add before we wrap this up?

It was actually a huge pleasure to do this interview.  Believe me, I’ve done hundreds and hundreds of interviews, and 90% of them are the same boring questions, and I understand that not every journalist has time to really dig deeply.  But this interview was deep, and extremely satisfying mentally to do.  It’s hugely appreciated.

Thank you.  I appreciate that.  Yeah, nobody wants to read the same old Q&A.  Well, hopefully I’ll get a chance to say hello to you in person when you’re here in Vegas in October. 

Fantastic.  I’m very eager to play for the audiences since it’s been so long.  It’s so much fun to play over here in Europe that we are all actually, very excited to come over.  And we can say that honestly. 

Best of luck with the new album and tour, Tom.

Thank you very, very much, and thanks for a great interview.  

 


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